Edward O'Connor vs Xah Lee

By Xah Lee. Date:

This page documents some conflicts between Edward O'Connor (aka hober) and Xah Lee (me), from my perspective.

Edward O'Connor is a Free Software Foundation fanatic, and quick to label people who disagree with him as “troll”.

We first met in Freenode's IRC #emacs channel in ~2006. At first he is friendly, but quickly considered me a “troll” due to my controversial opinions and unrelenting nature. Much more detail here: Freenode IRC Emacs Channel Ban on Xah Lee.

Why would he consider me troll? Here's few of my essays, he probably consider them trolling. Judge yourself:

Edward runs a emacs blog aggregate site http://planet.emacsen.org/. In ~, Alex Ott suggested that my emacs blog be added, but Edward turned the request down, saying that i'm a “consummate troll”. The request is at https://github.com/hober/planet.emacsen.org/pull/2. Here's a screenshot:

Edward OConnor vs Xah Lee 2012-06-01
Edward OConnor vs Xah Lee. (screenshot of 〔https://github.com/hober/planet.emacsen.org/pull/2〕 as of .)

I have since learned, he also labeled several other programers troll. See: http://edward.oconnor.cx/experiments/trolls/

Here's a screenshot:

Edward OConnor troll list 2012-06-01
Edward O'Connor's troll list. (Screenshot of 〔http://edward.oconnor.cx/experiments/trolls/〕 as of )

here's text version:

Experiments with troll markup

See also the simple container of hCards on the block list brainstorming page of the microformats wiki, and my troll-filters project on github.

People I consider to be trolls Troll 	Email addresses
Rob Burns 	rob@robburns.com
John Foliot 	foliot@wats.ca, jfoliot@stanford.edu, foliot@stanford.edu
Xah Lee 	xah@xahlee.org, xahlee@gmail.com
William Loughborough 	wloughborough@gmail.com
Andy Mabbett 	andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk
Shelley Powers 	shelley.just@gmail.com, shelleyp@burningbird.net
Leif Halvard Silli 	lhs@malform.no
Philip TAYLOR 	P.Taylor@Rhul.Ac.Uk
Some stats related to HTML 5

All of the above trolls have participated or are participating in the HTML 5 standardization effort except for Xah.

Emacs Controversy

  1. 2018 Richard Stallman, Emacs Tyrant
  2. 2017 Richard Stallman Pushing for GPL3, Kicked Out Free Software from Free Software Platform
  3. 2016 Emacs Lisp Doc String Curly Quote Controversy
  4. 2016 GNU Emacs Removes Color Emoji Support on the Mac
  5. 2017 Emacs Lisp Sucks Donkey Ass. Please Grow Emacs, Not External Tools
  6. 2016 Emacs: Ugly Redisplay Internals Hack
  7. 2015 Richard Stallman: What's magit?
  8. 2013 Rants on Emacs Visual Lines by Don Hopkins and Mark Crispin
  9. 2013 Richard Stallman Wants Emacs to be Word Processor
  10. 2013 Free Software Foundation, How Much Donation They Get?
  11. 2012 Lisp Programer Daniel Weinreb Died (1959 to 2012)
  12. 2007 Daniel Weinreb Rebuttal to Richard Stallman's Story of LISP History
  13. 2008 Emacs: JavaScript Mode War

The Emacs Cult

  1. 2010 GNU Emacs Development Inefficiency
  2. 2001 GNU Emacs and XEmacs Schism
  3. 2007 My Experience of Emacs vs XEmacs
  4. 2008 Problems of Emacswiki
  5. 2011 Emacs Cult Problem: Emacs vs Windows Notepad
  6. 2011 Emacs Undo and Emacs Cult Problem
  7. 2010 Emacs: Have You Read Emacs Manual?

xah lee

  1. 2009 Freenode IRC Emacs Channel Ban on Xah Lee
  2. 2011 Edward O'Connor vs Xah Lee
  3. 2013 Xah Emacs Tutorial Criticisms: Emacs Lisp, Coding Style, Language Idioms, Controversy
  4. 2016 The Sigils WAR, Language Design and Coding Convention

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